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مساهمة رقم 1

Jesus is not God in the bible

من طرف الحلاجي محمد الأحد 3 أكتوبر - 15:30:07

Nearly all Christians believe that Jesus was and is God. That is what the institutional
church has always taught. Christians professedly rely strongly on the Bible for this belief.
Yet there is not a single verse in the Bible which states unequivocally, “Jesus is God,” or
the like. Moreover, the New Testament (NT) gospels have no statement by Jesus in which
he identifies himself as God. In fact, there are many Bible verses which indicate that
Jesus cannot be God by declaring that only the Father is God

First, and foremost, is one of Jesus’ sayings recorded only in the Gospel of John. The
setting is the Last Supper, right before he was arrested and crucified. He prayed for his
disciples, saying, “Father,… This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true
God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent” (John 17.3). So, Jesus tells the Father that he
is “the only true God” and then distinguishes himself from that one God. Both of these
points clearly indicate that Jesus himself cannot also be God.
Moreover, Jesus identified the Father as the only God. Earlier,
he told his Jewish opponents that the Father is “the one and only God” (John 5.44).

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مساهمة رقم 2

رد: Jesus is not God in the bible

من طرف الحلاجي محمد الأحد 3 أكتوبر - 15:30:38

jesus in the bible has a God

Paul said in book of Ephesians about Jesus “the God of our Lord Jesus” Ephesians 1:17 NKJV

Mathew says about Jesus in the Gospel of Mathew “Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" Matthew 27:46 NIV

John mentions that Jesus in the gospel of John said “I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God”. John 20:17
NKJV

All Christian scholars are saying that this a prophecy from God about Jesus "Here is my servant, whom I uphold” Isaiah 42:1 (NIV)

Peter says in the book of acts about Jesus that he is a servant of God “When God raised up his servant, he sent him first to you" Acts

John says in the book of revelation that Jesus said after his ascention “Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it. I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on him my new name” Revelation 3:12-14 (NIV)

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مساهمة رقم 3

رد: Jesus is not God in the bible

من طرف الحلاجي محمد الأحد 3 أكتوبر - 15:31:39

jesus(peace be upon him) was a servant of God in the bible

Acts 3 - New International Version

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...+3&version=NIV

13The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus. You handed him over to be killed, and you disowned him before Pilate, though he had decided to let him go

Acts 4 - New International Version

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...+4&version=NIV

27Indeed Herod and Pontius Pilate met together with the Gentiles and the people[e] of Israel in this city to conspire against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed

jesus will be subjected to God

Corinthians1 : 15 )New American Standard Bible)

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...5&version=NASB

28When (AR)all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that (AS)God may be all in all

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مساهمة رقم 4

رد: Jesus is not God in the bible

من طرف الحلاجي محمد الأحد 3 أكتوبر - 15:32:27

jesus used to pray to God

Mark 1 (New International Version)

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...+1&version=NIV

Jesus Prays in a Solitary Place
35Very early in the morning, while it was still dark, Jesus got up, left the house and went off to a solitary place, where he prayed.

Luke 22 (New International Version)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...22&version=NIV
41He withdrew about a stone's throw beyond them, knelt down and prayed,

Luke 22 (New International Version)

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...22&version=NIV
44And being in anguish, he prayed more earnestly, and his sweat was like drops of blood falling to the ground

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مساهمة رقم 5

رد: Jesus is not God in the bible

من طرف الحلاجي محمد الأحد 3 أكتوبر - 15:32:49

Jesus testifies that God is one and that he is a messenger of God

John 17 (New International Version)

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...17&version=NIV

3Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent

note that he says you and not me and you or i the only tru God

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مساهمة رقم 6

رد: Jesus is not God in the bible

من طرف الحلاجي محمد الأحد 3 أكتوبر - 15:33:23

Did Jesus ever claim to be "Mighty God" or "God"?

From Sheikh Ahmed Deedat's work; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him:

Let us look at John 10:30 "I (Jesus) and the Father are One." This verse is severely misunderstood and is taken out of context, because beginning at verse John 10:23 we read (in the context of 10:30) about Jesus talking to the Jews. In verse John 10:28-30, talking about his followers as his sheep, he states: "...Neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father who gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are One."

These verses prove only that Jesus and the Father are one in that no man can pluck the sheep out of either's hand. It does not at all state that Jesus is God's equal in everything. In fact the words of Jesus, " My Father, who gave them me is Greater than ALL...," in John 10:29 completely negates this claim, otherwise we are left with a contradiction just a sentence apart. All includes everyone even Jesus.

Also let us look at verse John 17:20-22 "That the ALL may be made ONE. Like thou Father art in me, I in thee, that they may be ONE in us. I in them, they in me, that they may be perfect in ONE". In this verse, the same word ONE used, the Greek, HEN is used, not only to describe Jesus and the Father but to describe Jesus, the Father and eleven of the twelve disciples of Jesus. So here if that implies equality, we have a unique case of 13 Gods.

Of the verse in question, "I and the Father are One" in (John 10:30), we also need to take note of the verses following the 30th verse in the text. In those verses, the Jews accuse Jesus falsely of claiming to be God by these words. He however replies, proving their accusation wrong by their own text: "The Jews answered him saying,'For a good work we stone thee not, but for blasphemy, and because that thou being a man, makest thyself a God '" (John 10:33).

Jesus replies to this accusation saying: "Jesus answered them, 'Is it not written in your Law, "I said ye are gods. If He can call them gods, unto whom the word of God came, say ye of him whom the Father hath sanctified and sent into the world, "Thou blasphemeth," because I said I am the son of God?'" (John 10:34-36).

Let us look at Acts 2:22 "O you men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a MAN approved of God among you..." Peter in the Book of Acts testifies about Jesus. Jesus thus even to his disciples, as to early Christians, not poisoned by Pauline doctrine, was a man, not a God.

to be continued

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مساهمة رقم 7

رد: Jesus is not God in the bible

من طرف الحلاجي محمد الأحد 3 أكتوبر - 15:33:57

Why do we have to consider Jesus as the Creator of this Universe or someone who is equal to GOD just because GOD had put His spirit in Jesus, and not consider the many others who carried GOD's spirit above as equal to GOD?

Others who carried GOD's Spirit in them:

Numbers 24:2 "When Balaam looked out and saw Israel encamped tribe by tribe, the Spirit of God came upon him"

Judges 3:10 "The Spirit of the LORD came upon him, so that he became Israel's judge and went to war. The LORD gave Cushan-Rishathaim king of Aram into
the hands of Othniel, who overpowered him."

Judges 6:34 "Then the Spirit of the LORD came upon Gideon, and he blew a trumpet, summoning the Abiezrites to follow him."

Judges 11:29 "Then the Spirit of the LORD came upon Jephthah. He crossed Gilead and Manasseh, passed through Mizpah of Gilead, and from there he advanced against the Ammonites."

Judges 14:6 "The Spirit of the LORD came upon him in power so that he tore the lion apart with his bare hands as he might have torn a young goat. But he told
neither his father nor his mother what he had done."

Judges 14:19 "Then the Spirit of the LORD came upon him in power. He went down to Ashkelon, struck down thirty of their men, stripped them of their belongings and gave their clothes to those who had explained the riddle. Burning with anger, he went up to his father's house."

Judges 15:14 "As he approached Lehi, the Philistines came toward him shouting. The Spirit of the LORD came upon him in power. The ropes on his arms became like charred flax, and the bindings dropped from his hands."

1 Samuel 10:6 "The Spirit of the LORD will come upon you in power, and you will prophesy with them; and you will be changed into a different person."

1 Samuel 10:10 "When they arrived at Gibeah, a procession of prophets met him; the Spirit of God came upon him in power, and he joined in their prophesying."

1 Samuel 11:6 "When Saul heard their words, the Spirit of God came upon him in power, and he burned with anger."

1 Samuel 16:13 "So Samuel took the horn of oil and anointed him in the presence of his brothers, and from that day on the Spirit of the LORD came upon David in power. Samuel then went to Ramah."

1 Samuel 16:16 "Let our lord command his servants here to search for someone who can play the harp. He will play when the evil spirit from God comes upon you, and you will feel better." GOD HAS AN EVIL SPIRIT??!!

1 Samuel 16:23 "Whenever the spirit from God came upon Saul, David would take his harp and play. Then relief would come to Saul; he would feel better, and the evil spirit would leave him."

1 Samuel 18:10 "The next day an evil spirit from God came forcefully upon Saul. He was prophesying in his house, while David was playing the harp, as he usually did. Saul had a spear in his hand..." ANOTHER EVIL SPIRIT FROM GOD??!!

1 Samuel 19:9 "But an evil spirit from the LORD came upon Saul as he was sitting in his house with his spear in his hand. While David was playing the harp,..." ANOTHER EVIL SPIRIT FROM GOD??!!

1 Kings 22:23 "God sent LYING SPIRITS to lie to people" Does GOD lie?!

1 Samuel 19:20 "so he sent men to capture him. But when they saw a group of prophets prophesying, with Samuel standing there as their leader, the Spirit of God came upon Saul's men and they also prophesied."

1 Samuel 19:23 "So Saul went to Naioth at Ramah. But the Spirit of God came even upon him, and he walked along prophesying until he came to Naioth."

2 Chronicles 15:1 "The Spirit of God came upon Azariah son of Oded."

Ezekiel 11:5 "Then the Spirit of the LORD came upon me, and he told me to say: "This is what the LORD says: That is what you are saying, O house of Israel, but I know what is going through your mind."

Ezekiel 37:1 "The hand of the LORD was upon me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the LORD and set me in the middle of a valley; it was full of bones."

Luke 1:35 "The angel answered, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you (Mary), and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God."

Luke 2:25 "Now there was a man in Jerusalem called Simeon, who was righteous and devout. He was waiting for the consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him."

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مساهمة رقم 8

رد: Jesus is not God in the bible

من طرف الحلاجي محمد الأحد 3 أكتوبر - 15:34:30

Let's see what did Jesus say about that

John 8 - New Living Translation
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...08&version=NLT

No,” Jesus replied, “for if you were really the children of Abraham, you would follow his example. 40 Instead, you are trying to kill me because I told you the truth, which I heard from God.

John 14 - New Living Translation

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...14&version=NLT
And the peace I give is a gift the world cannot give. So don’t be troubled or afraid. 28 Remember what I told you: I am going away, but I will come back to you again. If you really loved me, you would be happy that I am going to the Father, who is greater than I am

John 14 - New Living Translation

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...14&version=NLT
24 Anyone who doesn’t love me will not obey me. And remember, my words are not my own. What I am telling you is from the Father who sent me.

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مساهمة رقم 9

رد: Jesus is not God in the bible

من طرف الحلاجي محمد الأحد 3 أكتوبر - 15:35:07

John 13 -New Living Translation

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...13&version=NLT
16 I tell you the truth, slaves are not greater than their master. Nor is the messenger more important than the one who sends the message

John 7 -New Living Translation
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...07&version=NLT

16 So Jesus told them, “My message is not my own; it comes from God who sent me.

John 17 -New International Version

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...17&version=NIV
3Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

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مساهمة رقم 10

رد: Jesus is not God in the bible

من طرف الحلاجي محمد الأحد 3 أكتوبر - 15:36:57

Jesus says that he is a Prophet

Luke 13- New International Version

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...13&version=NIV

33In any case, I must keep going today and tomorrow and the next day—for surely no prophet can die outside Jerusalem!
34"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you,

Matthew 13 - New Living Translation

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...13&version=NLT

Then Jesus told them, “A prophet is honored everywhere except in his own hometown and among his own family.” 58 And
so he did only a few miracles there because of their unbelief.

John 6 - New Living Translation

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...06&version=NLT

14 When the people saw him do this miraculous sign, they exclaimed, “Surely, he is the Prophet we have been expecting!”

Luke 24 - New Living Translation
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...24&version=NLT

19 “The things that happened to Jesus, the man from Nazareth,” they said. “He was a prophet who did powerful miracles, and he was a mighty teacher in the eyes of God and all the people. 20 But our leading priests and other religious leaders handed him over to be condemned to death, and they crucified him.

John 20- New Living Translation

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...20&version=NLT

‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”

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مساهمة رقم 11

رد: Jesus is not God in the bible

من طرف الحلاجي محمد الأحد 3 أكتوبر - 15:40:26

Jesus used to pray so to whom he was praying

Matthew 26 )New Living Translation)

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...26&version=NLT
39 He went on a little farther and bowed with his face to the ground, praying, “My Father! If it is possible, let this cup of suffering be taken away from me. Yet I want your will to be done, not mine.”

Mark 1 )New Living Translation)

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...01&version=NLT
Jesus got up and went out to an isolated place to pray.

Luke 22)New Living Translation)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...22&version=NLT
41 He walked away, about a stone’s throw, and knelt down and prayed, 42 “Father, if you are willing, please take this cup of suffering away from me. Yet I want your will to be done, not mine.” 43 Then an angel from heaven appeared and strengthened him. 44 He prayed more fervently, and he was in such agony of spirit that his sweat fell to the ground like great drops of blood

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مساهمة رقم 12

رد: Jesus is not God in the bible

من طرف الحلاجي محمد الأحد 3 أكتوبر - 15:42:23

Now lets see how many sons of God we have

Luke 3-New Living Translation
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...03&version=NLT
38 Adam was the son of God.

David is the son of God in psalms & 2 Samuel & 1 Chronicles 17
Psalm 2 -New International Version
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...+2&version=NIV
7 I will proclaim the decree of the LORD :
He said to me, "You are my Son;
today I have become your Father.

Samuel 2 : 7 -New International Version
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...+7&version=NIV

4 That night the word of the LORD came to Nathan, saying:
5 "Go and tell my servant David, 'This is what the LORD says: Are you the one to build me a house to dwell in? 6 I have not dwelt in a house from the day I brought the Israelites up out of Egypt to this day. I have been moving from place to place with a tent as my dwelling. 7 Wherever I have moved with all the Israelites, did I ever say to any of their rulers whom I commanded to shepherd my people Israel, "Why have you not built me a house of cedar?" '
8 "Now then, tell my servant David, 'This is what the LORD Almighty says: I took you from the pasture and from following the flock to be ruler over my people Israel. 9 I have been with you wherever you have gone, and I have cut off all your enemies from before you. Now I will make your name great, like the names of the greatest men of the earth. 10 And I will provide a place for my people Israel and will plant them so that they can have a home of their own and no longer be disturbed. Wicked people will not oppress them anymore, as they did at the beginning 11 and have done ever since the time I appointed leaders [a] over my people Israel. I will also give you rest from all your enemies.
" 'The LORD declares to you that the LORD himself will establish a house for you: 12 When your days are over and you rest with your fathers, I will raise up your offspring to succeed you, who will come from your own body, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He is the one who will build a house for my Name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. 14 I will be his father, and he will be my son. When he does wrong, I will punish him with the rod of men, with floggings inflicted by men. 15 But my love will never be taken away from him, as I took it away from Saul, whom I removed from before you. 16 Your house and your kingdom will endure forever before me [b] ; your throne will be established forever.' "

Chronicles 1 : 17 -New International Version
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...17&version=NIV
13 I will be his father, and he will be my son. I will never take my love away from him, as I took it away from your predecessor. 14 I will set him over my house and my kingdom forever; his throne will be established forever.' "

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رد: Jesus is not God in the bible

من طرف الحلاجي محمد الأحد 3 أكتوبر - 15:44:41

Solomon is the son of God

Chronicles 1 : 22 - New International Version
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...22&version=NIV
9 But you will have a son who will be a man of peace and rest, and I will give him rest from all his enemies on every side. His name will be Solomon, and I will grant Israel peace and quiet during his reign. 10 He is the one who will build a house for my Name. He will be my son, and I will be his father. And I will establish the throne of his kingdom over Israel forever.'

Israel is the firstborn son of God
Exodus 4 -New International Version
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...+4&version=NIV
22 Then say to Pharaoh, 'This is what the LORD says: Israel is my firstborn son,

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رد: Jesus is not God in the bible

من طرف الحلاجي محمد الأحد 3 أكتوبر - 15:47:58

Everyone who follows the orders of God is a son of God

Genesis 6 -New International Version
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...+6&version=NIV
2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.

Psalm 29 -New American Standard Bible
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...9&version=NASB
1 Ascribe to the LORD, O sons of the mighty,

Psalm 89-King James Version

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...89&version=KJV
6For who in the heaven can be compared unto the LORD? who among the sons of the mighty can be likened unto the LORD?

Hosea 1 -New International Version

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...+1&version=NIV
10 "Yet the Israelites will be like the sand on the seashore, which cannot be measured or counted. In the place where it was said to them, 'You are not my people,' they will be called 'sons of the living God.'

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رد: Jesus is not God in the bible

من طرف الحلاجي محمد الأحد 3 أكتوبر - 15:49:58

Matthew 5 -New International Version

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...+5&version=NIV
9Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called sons of God.

Luke 20 - English Standard Version

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...20&version=ESV
36for they cannot die anymore, because they are equal to angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.

John 11 -New International Version
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...11&version=NIV
52and not only for that nation but also for the scattered children of God, to bring them together and make them one.

Romans 9 - New International Version
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...+9&version=NIV
26and,
"It will happen that in the very place where it was said to them,
'You are not my people,'
they will be called 'sons of the living God.'

Romans 8-New International Version

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...08&version=NIV
19The creation waits in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed.

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مساهمة رقم 16

رد: Jesus is not God in the bible

من طرف الحلاجي محمد الأحد 3 أكتوبر - 15:52:27

How did Quran solve this problem

Surah 21. The Prophets
26. And they say: "((Allah)) Most Gracious has begotten offspring." Glory to Him! they are (but) servants raised to honour.
27. They speak not before He speaks, and they act (in all things) by His Command.
28. He knows what is before them, and what is behind them, and they offer no intercession except for those who are acceptable, and they stand in awe and reverence of His (Glory).
29. If any of them should say, "I am a god besides Him", such a one We should reward with Hell: thus do We reward those who do wrong.

And as a Muslims we believe in the testimony of Christ peace be upon him where he witnessed to his Lord for being the only true God and that he is a messenger of God

John 17 -New International Version

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...17&version=NIV
3Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

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